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. >> you want the answer to solving the fiscal cliff? we put an offer on the table. the president now has to engage. >> you might even say he'll inherit these problems. >> the president is going away for christmas. he's going to hawaii for 20 something days. where am i going to be? where are my neighbors going to be? we're not going to have a place called home. where is the help? >> what's holding us back right now is a lot of stuff that's going on in this town. >> after the election of jimmy carter, he went to washington, d.c. and came back home with some bacon. >> that's right. >> that's what you do. >> the fact is this president basically i don't think wants to work with congress. >> we do not have a taxation problem. we've got a wildly out of control spending problem. >> i'll be here, and i'll be available any moment. >> we believe that despite obvious resistance to what has to be the framework of a deal here, that progress is being made. >> all of this is smoke and mirrors. all of this deficit reduction stuff, there isn't any. there aren't any spending cuts. >>
. >> you want the answer to solving the fiscal cliff? we put an offer on the table. the president now has to engage. >> you might even say he'll inherit these problems. >> the president is going away for christmas. he's going to hawaii for 20 something days. where am i going to be? where are my neighbors going to be? we're not going to have a place called home. where is the help? >> what's holding us back right now is a lot of stuff that's going on in this town. >>...
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fiscal cliff? can't we call it something else? >> dana: sure. >> eric: monetary -- >> greg: liberal fantasy. >> bob: one more thing on the table. can obama sell cuts in entitlements to his senate? >> dana: not acarding to harry reid. >> eric: leave it there. we'll stay on it. don't go away. more on developing news washington, including ambassador susan rice. we'll get on that when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, children laughing ] move to the country, d live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some retirement people who are paid on salary, not commission. they'll get straightforward guidance and be able to focus on other things, like each other, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. often comes with a set of equally impressive instructions ? shouldn't something that's
fiscal cliff? can't we call it something else? >> dana: sure. >> eric: monetary -- >> greg: liberal fantasy. >> bob: one more thing on the table. can obama sell cuts in entitlements to his senate? >> dana: not acarding to harry reid. >> eric: leave it there. we'll stay on it. don't go away. more on developing news washington, including ambassador susan rice. we'll get on that when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they...
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>> at a minimum what i hope is that we'll be able to do something here that avoids this fiscal cliff which is a creation of congress. it's a bipartisan creation. this fiscal cliff is the result of the last fiscal cliff. >> bill: that put a date on there. >> yeah. >> bill: may extend the date that's what i think is going to happen. >> my hope is is that we can avoid the bad stuff. then we have to deal with the 16 trillion-dollar debt that $1 trillion a year in deficit spending. we have to solve that. that thing is not going to solve itself. >> bill: doesn't feel like the president feels the urgency that you feel. you are one of the leaders of the republican party whether you want to be or not. there you are. so you find yourself now trying to get the republican party reorganized and back into the populist column. ain't going to be easy for you, senator. because you have got to be the senator from florida and at the same time try to resurrect this party. >> well, it's -- but i think the people of florida have the same ax sights as the people of our country. i'm informed by my own backg
>> at a minimum what i hope is that we'll be able to do something here that avoids this fiscal cliff which is a creation of congress. it's a bipartisan creation. this fiscal cliff is the result of the last fiscal cliff. >> bill: that put a date on there. >> yeah. >> bill: may extend the date that's what i think is going to happen. >> my hope is is that we can avoid the bad stuff. then we have to deal with the 16 trillion-dollar debt that $1 trillion a year in...
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cliff problem. they don't want to raise the medicare eligibility age, 60-something republicans, don't want to see big cut us in medicaid or medicare, 60-something percent don't want cuts in medicare and medicaid. the rank and file republicans, the piece you quoted from mip says it, rank and file republicans have kind of reasonable views here. the republicans in washington are just catering to the extremists in their own party. it is interesting that you have congressman chris van hollen yesterday saying he believes part of the maybe the strategy of speaker boehner in stalling out these talks to hold onto his position as speaker. you said he is hugely popular within the ranks. >> i don't know enough about what individual members of the house republican caucus are thinking about him right now but i would say this, it's entirely possible that if he gives obama his increase in marginal tax rates before january 1st sure, a lot of the tea party-type people in his cause cuss might think of him as a sellout
cliff problem. they don't want to raise the medicare eligibility age, 60-something republicans, don't want to see big cut us in medicaid or medicare, 60-something percent don't want cuts in medicare and medicaid. the rank and file republicans, the piece you quoted from mip says it, rank and file republicans have kind of reasonable views here. the republicans in washington are just catering to the extremists in their own party. it is interesting that you have congressman chris van hollen...
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i don't think that president obama or the republicans want us to go over the fiscal cliff. >> jamie: angela, when i have you guys on, i want to learn a little something myself. we have a lot of new members that are going to be seated after the first of the year. so, if they come up with some partial solution, let's say, what's the impact, angela, of us having new members of congress seating into this di decision making process. is it hurtful or beneficial? >> it's always beneficial, i always think that new minds are great to come to the table to give new ideas. what we have have to stop down is putting a bandaid on it and kicking it down the road. we need true me form or we'll be talking about this a year from now. >> jamie: doug, a prediction, going over? >> i don't think so. but you bring up a good point member about the 90 house members who are going to leave and more political incentive to do it now, because with new members, they're going to have to go through the debate again. >> jamie: thank you, guys. always a great discussion, always is. and our own chris wallace has an excl
i don't think that president obama or the republicans want us to go over the fiscal cliff. >> jamie: angela, when i have you guys on, i want to learn a little something myself. we have a lot of new members that are going to be seated after the first of the year. so, if they come up with some partial solution, let's say, what's the impact, angela, of us having new members of congress seating into this di decision making process. is it hurtful or beneficial? >> it's always beneficial,...
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it's unclear the fate of the benefits in the fiscal cliff fight, something that terrifies people like alisia worthen. you've been looking for a job for more than six months. are you more optimistic or less optimistic? >> i believe it's going to turn around. it will probably take a little time but i believe it will. >> you need the government to help now until that happens? >> yes, i definitely do. i have a household to run, still have rent and bills to pay and i need help. i need help. >> millions of people like alecia. she still needs an unemployment check, unclear of the fate of jobless benefits and extension of those in the faiscal cliff fight. conservatives say it's time to end it. >> she has a degree in a field that you would think she would be able to get a job in. accounting. >> she worked for a government agency, she was a child support enforcement office, she worked in child support and all these government jobs keep getting -- so it's budget cuts on one end and budget cuts at the other end. >> thank you. >>> still ahead, is weight an issue when it comes to the white house? h
it's unclear the fate of the benefits in the fiscal cliff fight, something that terrifies people like alisia worthen. you've been looking for a job for more than six months. are you more optimistic or less optimistic? >> i believe it's going to turn around. it will probably take a little time but i believe it will. >> you need the government to help now until that happens? >> yes, i definitely do. i have a household to run, still have rent and bills to pay and i need help. i...
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he was going to talk a little bit about the fiscal cliff and that's something we've all been talking about recently, and what it means for us right now and the year ahead. we also have other business news. we'll get back to the president by the way if and when we get that feedback. he will be taking questions from the audience there of business leaders as gregg mentioned. elizabeth mcdonald ever the fox business network is standing by list toning some of what the president had to say about the economy. liz, can you place it in context about where our economy is right now. >> reporter: the president just now was placing it in the -- the economy in the broader context of what is going on in the world, mentioning asia, mentioning europe, and then he turned to what was the most important part of the speech, he started to speak and that is what is holding us back ironically is stuff that is going on in this town, and he also, the president also said, no one wants to get a deal done more than me. so he's trying to essentially give some encouragement to get the fiscal cliff deal talks ignit
he was going to talk a little bit about the fiscal cliff and that's something we've all been talking about recently, and what it means for us right now and the year ahead. we also have other business news. we'll get back to the president by the way if and when we get that feedback. he will be taking questions from the audience there of business leaders as gregg mentioned. elizabeth mcdonald ever the fox business network is standing by list toning some of what the president had to say about the...
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cliff negotiations. again, once again, they're going to hold the process that the american people did not much enjoy. and they're going to do that to try to get something very unpopular, which is taking away a lot of people's medicare benefits. ak they're only going to see more intransigent work stream. more out of touch of where the american people are. governor, carl rove was with bill o'riley. watch this. >> i think what the speaker is trying to get across is at this point, the republicans are pretty much in disarray. they can't compete with the organized democratic machine. that's why romney lost. >> they are in disarray. they doept have a clue of what to do. they're not in any way consistent with what they want. they want taxes raised on the rich. it spurred 23.5 million new jobs in six years. americans get that stuff. they've got to be voiced and sustained. by the way, all of this is political calculation. crystal is right. they're worried about the primary. good lord, have some guts and do what's
cliff negotiations. again, once again, they're going to hold the process that the american people did not much enjoy. and they're going to do that to try to get something very unpopular, which is taking away a lot of people's medicare benefits. ak they're only going to see more intransigent work stream. more out of touch of where the american people are. governor, carl rove was with bill o'riley. watch this. >> i think what the speaker is trying to get across is at this point, the...
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it's an issue in this fiscal cliff fight. particularly if we go over the cliff and it turns into a pr battle. it's a problem longer-term, 2014, 2016. the party has to find a way to remake what people think of it and they're not there yet. >> and when you look, mark, at the optimism, pessimism, you find that people who are evenly divided, 48-48, as to whether there will be an agreement, they really want an agreement, though? >> this is a pessimistic are but a realistic public right now, and it's the public that watched what happened in 2011 during the debt ceiling standoff there. it was really interesting. we actually asked the question in december of 2008 after barack obama won his first presidential contest, and at that time 52% actually said we think the next congress is going to be an era of unity and willingness to compromise in congress. now when we ask that xwe, the newest poll, 69% actually are predicting disunity, division, and so this is a much more realistic public right now that is seeing everything that's going on
it's an issue in this fiscal cliff fight. particularly if we go over the cliff and it turns into a pr battle. it's a problem longer-term, 2014, 2016. the party has to find a way to remake what people think of it and they're not there yet. >> and when you look, mark, at the optimism, pessimism, you find that people who are evenly divided, 48-48, as to whether there will be an agreement, they really want an agreement, though? >> this is a pessimistic are but a realistic public right...
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cliff. corker said it would allow republicans to press for cuts to entitlements. democratic senator chuck schumer told fox he thinks they will reach a deal. and texas a&m quarterback johnny manzell has won the heisman, the first freshman wotowin. he beat out notre dame linebacker and the kansas state quarterback. that's it. back to you. >> are you going to do the post for us? >> reporter: i enemy a stool, wired up. sorry. >> we will give you near space next time. >> reporter: thanks. >> an update on the developing story we have been following out of southern california. the tolare county sheriffs department has a suspect in custody in a shooting that killed three people and injured two, including two children. the person they identified as the suspect, hector solia was tracked with his cell phone. he refused to stop his car. deputies then opened fire and shot back and he is in the hospital with life-threatening injuries. the shooting victims other than found after someone made a call to 911,
cliff. corker said it would allow republicans to press for cuts to entitlements. democratic senator chuck schumer told fox he thinks they will reach a deal. and texas a&m quarterback johnny manzell has won the heisman, the first freshman wotowin. he beat out notre dame linebacker and the kansas state quarterback. that's it. back to you. >> are you going to do the post for us? >> reporter: i enemy a stool, wired up. sorry. >> we will give you near space next time. >>...
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i have two questions concerning the fiscal cliff. the cash cuts that republicans -- the spending cuts on medicare. why don't we allow them to negotiate medicare and to reduce the cost of medicine? that should save you a lot of money yearly. i agree totally about the republicans and democrats spending money stupidly just before the election. both sides voted to refurbish something like 170 army tanks that the army said they'd do not need. they went and voted to repair those tanks. why are we wasting our money? democrats want to cut taxes. host: armstrong williams? guest: we haven't gotten to affordable care and medicare and medicaid. if affordable care was administered correctly and if he did not have the special interest groups and if tort reform was not included, package you move forward in making health care work for anyone if you do not bring tort reform to the table? the medical malpractice lawsuits are out of control where doctors are paranoid and have to think twice before going through these procedures. it becomes a nightmare
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want the focus to be on the fiscal cliff. some conservatives did have issues regarding abortion and what it meant for the rights of the disabled while they were in the womb. there were a number of concerns. when i saw bob dole get wheeled in by his wife, former senator elizabeth dole, my heart melted. it meant a lot to people like john mccain, but that does not mean that some of these issues that some of these republicans had were not credible and are not -- we should just say, okay. there's a lot of treaties that have really pretty sounding name but the devil is in the detail. and i think that's what some of them felt when it came to this treaty. >> ana navaro and maria -- go ahead, maria, quickly. >> i hope ana is right and if republicans really want to do this right they will have another chance in the next congress and this is something where americans really need to step up. what happened yesterday was gop fear of the tea party. every single senator that voted against it was most likely up in 2014 except for one. >> okay
want the focus to be on the fiscal cliff. some conservatives did have issues regarding abortion and what it meant for the rights of the disabled while they were in the womb. there were a number of concerns. when i saw bob dole get wheeled in by his wife, former senator elizabeth dole, my heart melted. it meant a lot to people like john mccain, but that does not mean that some of these issues that some of these republicans had were not credible and are not -- we should just say, okay. there's a...
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congress scurrying around still trying to get something going on the fiscal cliff. and the latest poll shows that 2/3 of americans including a majority of democrats republicans and independents all say that congressional leaders meaning republicans should compromise so we can avoid going over the fiscal cliff. that means republicans must give up their insistence that the bush tax cuts continue for the wealthiest of americans because it ain't gonna happen. the president's not going to sign the bill and the american people don't want to give them a continued tax break. they think they ought to pay more. so let's just get it done and then go home and celebrate the holidays. hey, good to have you with us. we'll talk about all of that and get all of latest including what's happening out in the state of michigan. but first, we take time out for today's current news update. lisa ferguson's got it out in los angeles. hi, lisa. good morning. >> hey bill. good morning everyone. americans are calling for a major overhaul of the republican party. especially when it comes to the
congress scurrying around still trying to get something going on the fiscal cliff. and the latest poll shows that 2/3 of americans including a majority of democrats republicans and independents all say that congressional leaders meaning republicans should compromise so we can avoid going over the fiscal cliff. that means republicans must give up their insistence that the bush tax cuts continue for the wealthiest of americans because it ain't gonna happen. the president's not going to sign the...
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know that at the end of this month and we're right at the fiscal cliff and we look at john boehner and you're right, he did give up revenue. he said okay. i'm going to cave on that. we'll raise revenue. but the president has been absolutely adamant, i'm not budging unless the top 2% pay a higher rate. not just revenue, a higher rate. >> the top 2% will pay higher taxes because of the revenue rates that we will raise without raising the tax rates. once you raise the tax rates, they become permanent. you can't change them. it will be almost impossible to change them and of course, that affects, like i say, almost a million small businesses and about 700,000 jobs. that's what the american people aren't getting from the debate on this subject. frankly, it is a bait and switch because the president has put out a plan that even democrats won't support that literally will not work, that literal israeli going to cause even more spending than we have right now, and put us even more than the 16 trail, $300 billion debt that we're incurring, going up every day. >> steve: senator, for generations,
know that at the end of this month and we're right at the fiscal cliff and we look at john boehner and you're right, he did give up revenue. he said okay. i'm going to cave on that. we'll raise revenue. but the president has been absolutely adamant, i'm not budging unless the top 2% pay a higher rate. not just revenue, a higher rate. >> the top 2% will pay higher taxes because of the revenue rates that we will raise without raising the tax rates. once you raise the tax rates, they become...
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but one prominent democrat today suggesting he's more confident a fiscal cliff deal will get done. >> three days ago i would have said that the chances of something being worked out were at best 20%. i feel a little bit more comfortable believing that something is going to be worked out, give it about a 70% chance. the fact that boehner and the president have pretty much gotten to a point where they'll be sitting down trying to work this out as opposed to a lot of cooks in the kitchen, i think that's helpful. >> the president has the upper hand on the politics right now. i mean, there are more people who make less than there are in the top 1%, top 5% or whatever. but will it create jobs? and while the president has spent most of this negotiation process talking about taxes, he hasn't talked about cuts as much as we want to see. >> joining me now, congressional reporter for roll call meredith shiner and washington bureau chief for "usa today" susan page. susan, you heard congressman cummings there say he now gives the deal a 70% chance of happening as opposed to a few days ago when it
but one prominent democrat today suggesting he's more confident a fiscal cliff deal will get done. >> three days ago i would have said that the chances of something being worked out were at best 20%. i feel a little bit more comfortable believing that something is going to be worked out, give it about a 70% chance. the fact that boehner and the president have pretty much gotten to a point where they'll be sitting down trying to work this out as opposed to a lot of cooks in the kitchen, i...
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cliff. we'll hear from harry reid and mitch mcconnell. c-span3, the impact of hurricnae ane sandy. a bipartisan group of senators spoke to reporters today about the civil war in syria and the potential use of force against the regime of bashar al-assad. >> good afternoon. i'm here with my colleagues from the senate, senator lieberman, senator gramm. -- graham. we are deeply disturbed by reports that bashar al-assad may have lionized -- weaponized some of his stores of chemical and biological agents and prepare them for use in aerial bombs. these reports also suggest that his forces are awaiting orders to use these weapons. if true, these reports may mean that the united states and our allies are facing the prospect of an eminent use of weapons of mass destruction and syria, and this may be the last warning we get. time for talking about what to do may now be coming to a close, and we may instead be left with an awful and it's very difficult decision. whether to continue on the sidelines and
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they very much want on the table if we're going to have a big deal in this fiscal cliff matter. jon? jon: on the democratic side it seems like they are holding firm on being sure that there is additional tax revenue in any fiscal cliff deal, right? >> jon, no question about that. they have been consistent from the very beginning. the president ran on the upper income americans paying more taxes as part of this deal. we heard more from chuck schumer on "fox news sunday". >> we democrats realize that there have to be two sides to this bargain but we're not going back to what we did in 2011. we both revenues and cuts on the table and ended up with just getting cuts because the other side wouldn't accept the revenues. >> reporter: a lot of folks on both sides feel like this is critical week. we're getting close to the end of the year. you need to give lawmakers a chance to put whatever deal it nice legislative language and sell to constituents and ultimately vote on it and hopefully send it to the president's desk. jon. jon: we'll see what happens. not a lot of time left. mike emanu
they very much want on the table if we're going to have a big deal in this fiscal cliff matter. jon? jon: on the democratic side it seems like they are holding firm on being sure that there is additional tax revenue in any fiscal cliff deal, right? >> jon, no question about that. they have been consistent from the very beginning. the president ran on the upper income americans paying more taxes as part of this deal. we heard more from chuck schumer on "fox news sunday". >>...
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we're in this fiscal cliff talks and the president and the speaker are trying to work out a solution. and they're talking about tax raters in top 2%. mr. cohen: taxing their wealth. that's something they should do because it's fair and it gives the over 98% tax relief. but at the same time they're talking about increasing the medicare age from 65 to 67. and that's taxing the wealth of the less fortunate people who are 65 to 67. for them and for everybody, your health is your wealth. jimmy copeland a friend and semiphilosopher said that, your health is your wealth. if you raise the medicare age from 65 to 67, you're going to sacrifice the health of people who are not the most fortunate system of while we tax the income of the most wealthy, we'll be taxes what wealth theless wealthy have, their health. that's wrong. mr. president and mr. speaker should not increase that age and tax the poor. thank you, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the -- does the gentlelady from texas seek recognition? ms. jackson lee: i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one m
we're in this fiscal cliff talks and the president and the speaker are trying to work out a solution. and they're talking about tax raters in top 2%. mr. cohen: taxing their wealth. that's something they should do because it's fair and it gives the over 98% tax relief. but at the same time they're talking about increasing the medicare age from 65 to 67. and that's taxing the wealth of the less fortunate people who are 65 to 67. for them and for everybody, your health is your wealth. jimmy...
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. >>> falling off the fiscal cliff, it may mean one thing to washington and something entirely different to millions of struggling americans. cnn's kiong la has the story. >> reporter: she could be facing at year's end a financial free fall. >> i don't know. i wish i wasn't in this situation but it is what it is and i could just do what i can. >> she lost her job as a new home sales manager on january. with an old laptop and a broken cord, she applies for jobs after job in a packed notebook, averaging 15 applications a day. at age 54, this is the first time she's ever been on unemployment. she's emptied out her savings account and now the emergency jobless program has kept her in her townhome giving her $450 a week. but unless the congress and the white house acts, the money stops. >> we're not trying to live off the system. we're trying to survive. it's not a luxury to be on unemployment. it's a means to keep us going. >> reporter: the fear of the fiscal cliff isn't just here. from the west to the north to the south, they will be hit the hardest. some two million americans will see thos
. >>> falling off the fiscal cliff, it may mean one thing to washington and something entirely different to millions of struggling americans. cnn's kiong la has the story. >> reporter: she could be facing at year's end a financial free fall. >> i don't know. i wish i wasn't in this situation but it is what it is and i could just do what i can. >> she lost her job as a new home sales manager on january. with an old laptop and a broken cord, she applies for jobs after...
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and on the right the road on the right is the fiscal cliff. really that the is choice if we don't do something about it we are going to go anyway. do you run over the kids with the car or do you take the other road which is not a good one but better than running over your kids fiscal cliff. it's a hard choice. >> but if we don't do it, if we don't go over the fiscal cliff the democrats will never cut a dime in spending. >> why would the democrats want change? if the bush tax cuts are going to expire they are saying this is great because this means the rich are going to pay more money, we are going to have more money to spend. they are already spending a the lo. they are saying why would we want change? this is great we have more money to spend. >> nancy pelosi saying why aren't we voting on middle class tax cuts? get to the other stuff. put this up for a vote: listen to nancy pelosi. we are not here to pass the middle income tax cut why are we here to not deat a time the middle income tax cut. could it be that the republicans are holding the m
and on the right the road on the right is the fiscal cliff. really that the is choice if we don't do something about it we are going to go anyway. do you run over the kids with the car or do you take the other road which is not a good one but better than running over your kids fiscal cliff. it's a hard choice. >> but if we don't do it, if we don't go over the fiscal cliff the democrats will never cut a dime in spending. >> why would the democrats want change? if the bush tax cuts...
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he said look at michigan, there is something to be learned there. >> steve: when it comes to the fiscal cliff . for example real effective no holds leadership in tough times mr. obama and republican congressional leaders would be wise to look to michigan. the dinosaur underwent an amazing transformation on thanks to governor snider and republicans who were willing to make transformation and fight political battles not only because of the career. he said michigan will be attracting a lot more business. >> brian: it was already on the come back trail . they looked in michigan at wisconsin and dine doin. the republican governors took a hit. but when the economy turns around in their state, their approval rating goes up and that's what jeb bush is saying real leadership. >> gretchen: a lot of protestors in michigan and in wisconsin as well . people for the most part don't like change. we feel comfortable in our lives and if you are in a union and doing well and look forward to your pension, why would you want that to change, you don't. that's why people come out and protest. the problem i h
he said look at michigan, there is something to be learned there. >> steve: when it comes to the fiscal cliff . for example real effective no holds leadership in tough times mr. obama and republican congressional leaders would be wise to look to michigan. the dinosaur underwent an amazing transformation on thanks to governor snider and republicans who were willing to make transformation and fight political battles not only because of the career. he said michigan will be attracting a lot...
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are you hearing that social security might be something that's also included in the fiscal cliff deal? >> well, i'm hearing the democrats want to block that. they don't want the social security part of the deal. but the republicans are kind of insisting on it. that puts the white house in kind of a difficult position. that's one of the many issues holding up this deal right now. >> the political leverage in all of this, of course, some head pulling, indicating republicans would bear most of the blame if we go over the so-called cliff. last week's survey found that 21% of americans would blame president obama and the democrats. 23% say they would blame the republicans. 52% would be annoyed with both parties equally. is it really clear at this point who would be blamed? >> i think the -- >> i'm sorry. excuse me. >> it's okay. i think members of congress bear the brunt of this, especially the house. they're going to be the odd man out. i think in the end voters, if the deal does not happen, the house will carry a lot of blame for it. >> two member numbers very imp 39.6%, 35%. the preside
are you hearing that social security might be something that's also included in the fiscal cliff deal? >> well, i'm hearing the democrats want to block that. they don't want the social security part of the deal. but the republicans are kind of insisting on it. that puts the white house in kind of a difficult position. that's one of the many issues holding up this deal right now. >> the political leverage in all of this, of course, some head pulling, indicating republicans would bear...